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Jack

Earlier today, accompanied by two other members of the Liberty Counsel litigation team, I faced off against the State of California in a Sacramento federal court building to argue for an injunction to stop the implementation of the state’s SB 1172 “change therapy” law before it goes into effect on January 1st, 2013.

As you know, this is a very important case.  We are giving it a high priority for several reasons, including the fact that cases decided in California tend to become templates for other states.

But this case is also a priority because of its outrageous subject matter.  If it goes into effect, the new law will only permit counseling that supports same-sex sexual attractions but any and all counseling that seeks to reduce or eliminate same-sex attractions will be strictly prohibited.
 
This outrageous law, in effect, says that only one viewpoint on homosexual sexual activity will be permitted in California --  a positive, supportive one dictated by the power of the state!

As a friend of Liberty Counsel, I want you to be among the first to hear what happened today in that federal courtroom.

I have recorded a special audio report so that you hear what happened directly from me.  Please click here to listen to my special report:

www.libertyaction.org/368/petition.asp

I will be updating you more in the days ahead.

God bless you,

Mat

P.S. If you want to know more about this case, please see my earlier message included below.

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The battle to stop pro-homosexual legal activism in our nation is one of the most important fights in American history.  That is not an exaggeration, I assure you!

A new California law banning any counseling to overcome same-sex attraction will put families, teens, and counselors on the wrong side of the law.  In effect, the law tells Californians that only the state knows what’s best regarding this sensitive psychological issue. Only counsel that affirms homosexuality as normal and good will be permitted. Any counsel that seeks to reduce or eliminate unwanted same-sex attractions will be banned.

Liberty Counsel has filed a major lawsuit challenging this outrageous law.  [We have now had our first hearing in the federal court in Sacramento]

This new law forces acceptance of the view that same-sex attractions are good – and that any attempt to reduce or eliminate them is bad!

When California Governor Jerry Brown signed SB 1172 into law, he boasted that change therapy “will now be relegated to the dustbin of quackery.”
 
Once Governor Brown signed it, Liberty Counsel immediately filed suit to block this misguided and dangerous law.  

The new law requires minors to receive, and counselors to provide, only one view on same-sex attractions…even when the client does not want to act on those attractions!

Unless this law is struck down by our lawsuit, the only viewpoint allowed in California will be that same-sex attractions are healthy and that any attempt to reduce or eliminate them will be prohibited by law!  If this law is allowed to stand unchallenged, it will likely become a template for the other 49 states to enact.
 
Please, help us STOP this insanity!

Liberty Counsel’s Open Letter of Support declaring your endorsement of our lawsuit and the rights of parents, minors, and counselors will let me know that YOU stand with us in this battle. We will also send the Open Letters to the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) and the American Association for Christian Counselors to encourage them.

Your endorsement and support will help us STOP the implementation of California’s unconstitutional law – and declare that you are united with Liberty Counsel in our landmark lawsuit to stop this act from ever being implemented.

Click here to sign the Open Letter of Support:

www.libertyaction.org/368/petition.asp

++We represent parents, minors, counselors, and counseling organizations in this landmark lawsuit.

This law places the state between the client and his or her counselor and intrudes on a client’s fundamental right of self-determination.  Clients have the right to seek counseling that aligns with his/her religious and moral values!
 
The law also forces counselors to overrule the will of their clients who choose to prioritize their religious or moral values above unwanted same-sex sexual attraction.

This outrageous, unconstitutional law even forbids counselors from referring clients to someone of their choice!
 
For the state to assume that it knows best what kind of counseling individuals should receive is the height of hubris and ignorance.

California is, in essence, demanding that counselors disregard their client’s religious beliefs – or change them!

Jack, this law must be STOPPED before it is enacted on January 1, 2013.  Would you stand with us today by signing the Open Letter of Support?

www.libertyaction.org/368/petition.asp

After signing the Open Letter of Support, you will be given an opportunity to give an immediate gift, and to participate in a special book offer. Click here to sign the Open Letter of Support:

www.libertyaction.org/368/petition.asp

++Pro-homosexual California legislators have pushed too far!

The fact is, the children of our nation’s most populous state have been taken hostage to a radical social agenda!

This law is an astounding violation of the right to free speech and religious liberty. Clients have the right to receive information that aligns with their values, and counselors have the right and the duty to provide information to help the clients in pursuit of their right to self-determination.
 
We firmly believe that we will win this case, but it can’t be successful without the help of friends like you!

PLEASE consider signing the open letter and giving a special gift to Liberty Counsel as our legal team aggressively confronts this outrageous law:

www.libertyaction.org/368/petition.asp

And, as always, please pray for the Liberty Counsel legal team.

Thank you and God bless you,

Mathew Staver, Founder and Chairman
Liberty Counsel

P.S. The California Legislature is telling its state’s citizens that the government knows better than parents, patients, and counselors what treatment is needed.  Even worse, this is a clear example of an overreaching state government bowing to pressure from pro-homosexual activists.

I firmly believe that God has raised Liberty Counsel to fight this critical battle!  We are well-experienced in fighting for moral sanity in California’s courtrooms.  And we have won in the Golden State more often than not – truly an accomplishment considering that state’s liberal judiciary. 

Please help us continue our vital work on this case and many others by signing the open letter – and with a generous gift. Please stand with the Liberty Counsel litigation team with your financial support – today if at all possible.  Again, thank you!

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FBI May Impound ‘Pro-Obama’ Voting Machines
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Despite there being evidence of massive voter fraud in the presidential election; despite the Obama Administration suppressing the traditionally conservative military vote by “losing” absentee ballots and simply mailing them out too late to make a difference, election officials have, as expected, ignored the mounting calls to investigate whether Obama actually won the election.
Now a movement is afoot to impound the thousands of voting machines that “malfunctioned”, switching a Romney vote to one for Obama. Some local officials have put the suspected voting machines in “quarantine” before they can be erased of information to determine if, in fact, the Obama campaign hacked into the machines.
Many local officials are calling on the FBI to do a forensic analysis of the voting machines—which are really computers—to determine if they have, in fact, been “hacked.”
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william_tomany1 says:
November 28, 2012 at 12:04 pm
It most likely is way to late and President Obama controls the Federal Bureau of Investigation

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mcory says:
November 28, 2012 at 12:34 pm
As long as Obama is president and Holder is attorney general, I wouldn’t trust the FBI to get to the bottom of the voting fraud issue. The FBI has been compromised by this criminal regime.

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Daniel-from-TN says:
November 28, 2012 at 1:07 pm
He controls the FBI through the Obama Department of Justice. There is no longer a US Department of Justice.

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HadEnuf says:
November 28, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Yeah, right, give me a break! We are going to have the new Hitler’s SS investigate the fraud that they helped perpetuate! It never stops – “Fast & Furious”, muder and mayhem, / NOTHING, Benghazi, murder and mayhem / NOTHING and now we are to naively believe that even if this were to occur that the results would be anything but / NOTHING! Really, I am outraged, seething and hysterical that the sheeple haven’t figured out yet that: WE ARE UNDER A DICTATORSHIP! My God, what is it going to take before you wake the hell up and start a wildfire of righteous indignation that perhaps will lead to a national work stoppage , tax revolt and even states manning militias! If you haven’t figured out by now that your freedom, liberty, pursuit of happiness and private property are on the line then there is no HOPE for you DOPES!

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rocquedog says:
November 28, 2012 at 2:07 pm
The sheeple are too stupid to realize it. They might start waking up when they get their self serving and apathetic butts hauled off to some Fema camp. Viva la Revolucion!

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Betta says:
November 28, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Actually, they’ll start waking up when their checks get cut and their free phone batteries die. They were busy dancing in the street when the memo came out that welfare checks will be cut. Don’t tell them though. Let them find out on their own. Can’t wait to see the looks on their faces. No more French nails, weaves and hairdos.

Oh, and those who got 2 tax refund checks, you will be paying that back in higher taxes, thanks to “Robin in Da Hood” I know they were happy as hell their messiah got that second check for them, only to have to pay it back. Didn’t count on that though…did they?

I know a person who got that second tax refund check. Oh how he was singing the praises of BO. He owns a business which will get hit really hard with the higher taxes and he will pay MORE in individual taxes. He”s gonna be mad as hell. I will be right there to rub the salt in.

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lovinspoonful says:
November 28, 2012 at 4:31 pm
What a lot of people don’t seem to undferstand is thast ther “Afgfordable Heralthcare bill” includes a long list of tasx increasers snuck in at ther last minute on a friday ight, just before they voted on it. these tax increases will increase everyone’s expenses up to $4,000 per household. You can find the list of these tax increasrs on the internet. Also, the healthcare bill itself is a tax. John Roberts ruled it that so it could be defunded. A tax can be defunded – a penalty cannot.

jUSTacOUNTRYbOY says:
November 28, 2012 at 2:52 pm
yOU TOOK THE TIME TO SAY IT BETTER THAN I HAD BREATH TO.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN!

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Henry says:
November 28, 2012 at 8:21 pm
HadEnuf, The only thing that could save this country would be the Republicans forming a strong coalition and singlemindidly force obama out of the White House. There are enough data available to get that accomplished. However, I am beginning to think that basically the Republicans want to go the same route as obama, only somewhat slower. Better yet might be for everybody to join the Tea Party, make it an unstoppable force and then one day copy France’s July 14 1789′s “Assaut de Bastille” at the White House.

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smith1 says:
November 28, 2012 at 2:47 pm
why “fbi may impountd” why haven’t they already been impounded shortly after election. Plent y of eye witness to the fraud.

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ANTICRIME says:
November 28, 2012 at 5:01 pm
BOTTOM LINE: Obama appointed Eric Holder as U.S. Attorney General along with retaining Robert Mueller as FBI Director from the Bush Administration. THUS; FBI Director Mueller works for Eric Holder …who works for OBAMA! ~ SO DON’T EXPECT anything positive to come out of this voter fraud “investigation”!
~ SO SAD, that so many people have lost the respect and TRUST they once had in their federal government and ALL agencies involved within; but it’s THEIR FAULT, not ours, due to their actions and worse ….INACTIONS!!!

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singer23 says:
November 28, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Never going to happen, do you know who issues the marching orders to the FBI, Eric Holder! You can be sure, he will clear any, “Fowl Play,” on Obama’s behalf!

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lovinspoonful says:
November 28, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Eric Holder has nothing to do with the FBI.

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ANTICRIME says:
November 28, 2012 at 5:05 pm
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA…….Go study!!! ~ The FBI comes UNDER the U.S. Dept of Justice, which is now unser the “misguidence” of Eric Holder!

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ANTICRIME says:
November 28, 2012 at 5:56 pm
ADDENDUM to my post, from Wikipedia:

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is a governmental agency belonging to the United States Department of Justice that serves as both a federal criminal investigative body and an internal intelligence agency (counterintelligence).

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lovinspoonful says:
November 28, 2012 at 6:31 pm
If you had read further you would see where i changed what i had previously said and corrected it. But, of course, you didn’t do that. You are just too ready to ridicule others.

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stRanger says:
November 28, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Nice bit of investigating. Hurrah for the Faux Bureau of Investigation. Make a lot of public noise about “impounding” those fraudulent pieces of CRAP. That gives the Leftist vote fixers plenty of time to “unhack” them.

Petitions and appeals forever then years down the legal road find them mysteriously giving votes to Dewey.

The “opposition” is just making show – lots of THUNDER but no LIGHTNING ala Issa. Those crooked machines should have been seized within a week of that bit of show called an election when the flood of complaints and accusations came pouring out. Doing so now, if that indeed does happen, will change nothing.

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HRayM says:
November 28, 2012 at 12:21 pm
IF these machines are checked, and i doubt very seriously if they will be,, voter fraud will surely be found.. but like everything else nothing will be done.. just a lot of talk and accusations.. in about 6 months all will be forgotten and forgiven… the USA is in a terrible condition and nobody does anything but talk.. the GOP is afraid of getting someone that has some power to lead the Party,, the Dems don’t care they are getting there way with everything and they know nobody is going to do anything to stop them…. God help us all….

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rocquedog says:
November 28, 2012 at 12:27 pm
It’s too late folks. This is what you get when you allow the liberals to get control ie; Harry Reid, Pelosi, etc. Everybody needs to watch WILD BILL’S VIDEO titled American Revolution #2. If our country has any chance at all of surviving the Illegal Alien in the Wh and his Globalist handlers, then the patriots must act soon. We can pray for a military coup but it’s not looking good on that front. The upper echelon ofcrs. are mostly politicized and do not honor their oaths. It will be up to the patriots. God Save The Republic!

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berneemc says:
November 28, 2012 at 12:28 pm
THIS ACT BY THE FBI IS CALLED HIDING THE EVIDENCE OF THE MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD

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Suzy2 says:
November 28, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Even if they prove (which has already been proven) machines tampered with, they will not fo crap beacuse if they (the FBI) are not part of Obama’s criminal group they are cowards. I am beginning to say F America but there is nowhere elese to go but Heaven

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wildmann says:
November 28, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Yeah, Give the N—– Rigged Machines to Holder’s FBI. They will ERASE any evidence of Tampering!!

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kaline says:
November 28, 2012 at 12:46 pm
It’s too late America…It’s too late..while you were sleeping, we lost our country.

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ANTICRIME says:
November 28, 2012 at 5:27 pm
IT’S NOT TOO LATE for REAL “CHANGE” as the SOVEREIGN STATES that created the federal government and given power by the U.S. Constitution superior to that of the limited powers of the federal government can convene and ABOLISH the current federal government, as per reasons explained within our U.S. Declaration of Independence! ~ All it would take is for 2/3rds (34) states to convene.
Another option is the each state’s sovereign RIGHT under the Tenth Amendment to NULLIFY any and ALL unconstitutional mandates that the federal government attempts to impose on the state government OR citizens of the state!
STATES STILL have the Constitutional RIGHT TO SECEDE from a federal government that is on the path to TYRANNY…..and don’t let anyone BS you otherwise!!!
BOTTOM LINE: FOCUS your outrage on you STATE’S GOVERNOR and LEGISLATURES rather than wasting you efforts on a deaf and failed Congess that has the power to stop the destruction of our country but only assists in its destruction! ~ IN GOD WE TRUST…..not corrupted politicians!!!

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govtrumbull1776 says:
November 28, 2012 at 12:50 pm
What needs to be done to fix this problem is to resurrect the old mechanical voting machines. Nobody can cheat on those old machines. You push down on the lever for the person you want to vote for and the vote is registered, no tricks, no hacking, no computer program fudging. Of course the voter has to be able to read and think. That all by itself could help cut down on the illegal alien voter problem.

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lovinspoonful says:
November 28, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Paper ballots would be better.

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dfinch says:
November 28, 2012 at 8:40 pm
I say we go to the polls and stick our finger in a bottle of ink.

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jazzridez says:
November 28, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Here’s another thought that should be looked into.
RICO act. Well, it looks to me like congress in its entirety and every person that works in it, the white house and every single person that works in it and draws federal paychecks, the justice department and every single person that works directly or indirectly and every single department there-in, and every single employee of the federal government of the United States of America regardless of job description is and has been involved in criminal activity as an organization and every member of congress, including pages, secretaries, mail runners and every single employee therein, every single worker involved in working for the federal government at every level, do I need to list them, should be arrested and charged under the RICO act as an ongoing criminal organization. They are all complicitous in the treasonous acts of lying, cheating, stealing and misrepresentation from/ to the general Natural Born Citizen Population, that would include every judge, bailiff, secretary, toilet cleaner, truck driver, mechanic and every single worker in the justice department nationwide is and has been committing crimes against the Natural Born Citizens of the United States of America and should be arrested, jailed without bond for 10 years until trial and convicted of the crimes they have committed. Upon conviction they should be sent to prison, general population, to serve not less than life without the possibility of parole. Just like the drug dealers and anybody else that has been charged under the RICO act. Their Crimes will start with Treason. They have been lying, stealing and cheating the Natural Born Citizens of the United States of America for at least 75 years. I can’t see any difference between them and the Mafia, if there ever was such a thing, Gun Smugglers, Drug Smugglers, lying businessmen, treasury department employees at every level, bankers at every level, major corporation executives that outsource jobs from the USA taking away jobs from the Natural Born Citizens of the USA and every secretary that didn’t stand up and shout out I’m Not Gonna Be Part Of This Fraud or any RICO defined organization. When convicted ‘All’ their assets and I mean everything they own should be confiscated and put in the general fund to help the needy Natural Born Citizens of the United States of America. Everything they have was derived from their criminal activity while working in the Criminal Organization we know as the Federal Government of the United States of America. That includes all of their kids’ stuff and of course the wives and mistresses property. Seize; confiscate all property of any description. Freeze all bank accounts. Their sentences after a quick trial after sitting in lock down for 10 years and conviction will be Life in, General Population, Prison without the possibility of Parole. Creation of construction jobs for a lot of new prisons for these poor folks that have been sucking on the tax paying Natural Born Citizen Tit. Give the sons and daughters of these crooked politicians and government workers the choice of Prison for life without parole or Front Line Combat Positions to fight under the same wait till you are shot at before you return fire rules of engagement. Well, they get a choice. Then we can go after the middlemen that were involved in defense procurement and all procurement process middlemen that were instrumental in ripping off the taxpayers for the last 75 years and we can prosecute the dead criminals posthumously. Then we can go after the lobbyists and major corporate executives that have run this country into the ground with their excessive salaries and extravagant lifestyles while laughing at their customers. I will mention that all politicians at every level of any size government entity and every person that has dealt with foreign nations as a representative of this country was and is involved in criminal activity against the Natural Born Citizens of the United States of America should each and every one of them be arrested and jailed for 10 years then convicted of treason and crimes against the Natural Born Citizens of the United States of America and sent to Prison, general population, for life without the possibility of Parole. Of course this will include every single member of every policing organization from city, county, state and federal level, every governor and each and every member of every state government and every person involved in the operation of those states should be arrested and tried for Treason and crimes under the Rico Act and jailed for life without the possibility of Parole in general Population. Every member of news media that has not stood up and shouted “I’m Not Gonna Be Part of This” needs to be arrested and imprisoned for life for Treasonous acts against the Natural Born Citizens of the USA. By the way I used spell check unlike a lot of you IDIOTS don’t. I also reread this many times before I sent it and it may be a bit much but it’s the only way to get the point across. Hey Stupid, use spell check and proof read before you post it. You may be part of the problem in this country. I don’t give a sh*t about the rest of the world, they can go straight to…. Well, there’s a place for them and it’s not the USA.

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rocquedog says:
November 28, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Definitely a good idea but the vehicle for doing something like this would be a revolution or possibly a coup and it would be a bloody one. Not out of the realm of possibility at this point and may be just the ticket. The Imposter in chief has been preparing for such an event ie; purchasing ammunition in lg. amts. for various fed. entities, signing off on exec. orders that can confiscate materiel from citizens, arrest without warrants, etc., etc. Many civilians, militias and some states have read the “handwriting on the wall” and have started counter preparations such as increasing their state guards, discussing and preparing legislation for things like nullification/secession, etc. It looks like they are just waiting for a Concord-Lexington incident to set things off.

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blackyb says:
November 28, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Any citizen has a right to have any public official to prove he is eligible to be in his post. These lower courts are not doing their jobs. They have been brought under the leftists thumb, over time before it is obvious the federal government is being manipulated. The lower courts will not bring forward suits against those or writs against those in question where they have to prove they are fit and eligible to even be in the state and local positions, let alone oppose the feds. This has been in the making for several decades. They hire their own into even the clerks and office positions and non will accept accountability for the run-around they give those wanting Justice on these matters. Lost papers, documents, deadlines, allowing witnesses, keeping information from being given out to opposing sides, etc. It is massive and it is thorough. Congress is our only hope to debugg these offices and put them in the hands of those who will allow justice. It is much bigger from bottom to top, just like Obama said. From bottom to top. The bottom has been layered over time and the top players bought in from the bottom and pushed to the top. They are cheating the vote, and using stealth within, so where does that leave those of us who want our country to run on the Constitution and Laws of this land? If Congress does not act, then God is our only hope, and may He have mercy on the rest of us.

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ANTICRIME says:
November 28, 2012 at 5:42 pm
I’M UPSET that this site does not have an EDIT feature, as I reread my posts before hitting send but STILL errors get through! ~ That is why proofreaders are needed with books, as the original author is easily apt to read over their own mistakes. I also find that Spell-Check is not always reliable. ~ Just wanted to throw that in, albeit off-topic.

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jb80538 says:
November 28, 2012 at 12:57 pm
I would bet the machines weren’t hacked but programmed that way. None the less, Holder’s FBI will make sure they look to be working properly during any investigation.

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gwedem5995 says:
November 28, 2012 at 12:58 pm
This is never going to happen even though it should. All agencies are under government control and I can remember when Obama said he wanted the most honest and transparent presidency ever. Everything they have done has been behind closed doors. Obama should have been the first one to demand all fraud be investigated but I think he was afraid that even with being Santa Claus he wouldn’t be happy. We might as well live in communist Russia.

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thesarge says:
November 28, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Just a big waste of time and money over a pipe dream. The FBI sold out a long time ago. Many of them have families to feed and take care of and they aren’t going to risk all that by finding anything wrong with the machines. Their jobs are more important to them than enforcing the law. All of our electronic systems are vulnerable. No matter how sophisticated the safeguards are, hackers can still find ways around them. Everything we use has been designed, made and assembled by human beings. I am reminded of something General George S. Patton once wrote about fortifications that can also hold true to technology. “If mountains and oceans can be overcome, anything made by man can be overcome.” This only reinforces what I have been saying for a long time. If more legitimate people had voted, the harder it would have been to stuff the ballot boxes. APATHY IS THE GREATEST THREAT TO OUR LIBERTIES AND FREEDOMS! NOT OBAMA!

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blackyb says:
November 28, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Our Constitution should stand in the way of this country getting taken over by criminals. Surely to goodness everyone is not a crook or has been intimidated. Obama thinks he is going to get NATO to screw with the states and laws, but while he is screwing federally. Obama should be ousted as a foreign agent. What is the hold up? This man, if he happened to be a citizen, and the evidence is contrary to that, is committing treason. He is allowing enough illegals to storm our shores to break this country financially and to overwhelm the country. He is arming the Middle East and the criminals in Mexico for some reason. Congress better start making some moves on this man or they are going to find themselves in a delimma just as ordinary citizens are and without the power to do anything. Obama will do away with Congressional power and replace this with his own henchmen. The American People have a right to know what is going on in this country so they can prepare for it. The states are in a position to lose what autononomy they have and will be affected under this regime. GET HIM OUT NOW before he destroys what is left of this country.

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ONTIME says:
November 28, 2012 at 1:18 pm
From what all of us have seen the manipulation of the rule of law, the courts, politization of government agencies (FBI, DEA, ect. ect.), WTP are in for another round of disappointment. The cowardice of the politburro congress, the indifference and the lack of incentive by our legal and jurisdictional agencies is a waste of good tax monies, the fact that the reponsibility is shunned is in the privates sector grounds for dismissal……..Ever get the idea, you are just not getting anything for which you pay?
WTP are paying far to much for our diminishing representation………

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blackyb says:
November 28, 2012 at 1:22 pm
There are not enough jails. Who is the Justice Department working for? Obama.

I do not know if the FBI is anyways away from that political machine. The courts are tied up and leaning left, so what does that leave for the American people to do? Become criminals? We want to keep our laws and Constitution and it is the jobs of those in law enforcement, the justice system, etc. to abide by these laws, not the whims of those who are commiting crimes against this country. Who is going to make arrests and give America justice?

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lovinspoonful says:
November 28, 2012 at 1:28 pm
TEchnicalloy,. the FBI is a separate entity. It is not part of the Department of Justice and is not afnswerable to Holder. It has its own director who is seected thrugh a nomination by the president and confirmation by the senate; however, that being said, there is nothing to stop corruption given who the president is and the majority in the senate. Depends on when the director was chosen and who did it.

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Danmo43 says:
November 28, 2012 at 1:30 pm
The machines will be locked up and destroyed by some “accident” just like all the remains of the twin towers were removed and melted down before any forensics could be performed. Same happened with the Oklahoma City bombing. All sounds good but it is a set up.

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rocquedog says:
November 28, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Much like what also happened at the embassy in Benghazi and then the chief of security, who knew all of the facts involved in that incident and could have destroyed the administration’s story, is assassinated mysteriously. This grp. of thugs in the wh is making the mafia look like a bunch of schoolgirls.

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lovinspoonful says:
November 28, 2012 at 1:42 pm
How was it melted down? All the debris from the twin towers was trucked out to dumping areas and carefully gone through for body parts and any evidence they could find. I saw no evidence of anything like that in the Oklahma bombing either. The bomb did massive damage and I doubt there was much left to go through. The FBI has its own director. However, I’m not saying everything is on the up and up either.

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dfinch says:
November 28, 2012 at 8:55 pm
That didn’t happen. Most of it had been warehoused for a couple of years before it was melted down and used in the building thr USS New York. Northrop Grumman got the contract at the end of November 2003. It was after that that the steel was melted down and processed for the construction of this ship.

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blackyb says:
November 28, 2012 at 1:33 pm
They fall under the Justice Department in being overseen, I am pretty sure. I hope not because that man in the Justice Department is not serving this country, he is serving the agenda of Obama. What is left?

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truer says:
November 28, 2012 at 1:34 pm
God is in charge. If God feels its time to check those machines [ especially after giving Obama and his administration chance after chance to do what is right ] , He will allow it to happen.

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Spudmans2 says:
November 28, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Or perhaps we can have faith that not everyone in the US gov’t is corrupt starting with the FBI. If you boys and girls in the FBI that are assigned to monitor sites like this one then please for the love of God kindly do what is right for your country, yourselves and your families. Stop the insanity and stop the communists from doing their best to wreck this country. Being an American is a state of mind that trumps all other forms of government. Be righteous, be honest and get to the bottom of this and renounce the wrong doings that are happening every day. I dare you to do your jobs like the oath you took when you were hired.

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lovinspoonful says:
November 28, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Just nowe, I got on to another site by askking a different quesiton and found out that ehat I first commented on was the total opposite of what I just read. Tthis site says the FBI is part of the Department of Justice, so at this pint – who knows?

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dfinch says:
November 28, 2012 at 9:03 pm
It is the Dept of Justice.

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lovinspoonful says:
November 28, 2012 at 10:21 pm
That’s what I found out. I believe I stated that.

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rocquedog says:
November 28, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Amen brother. We The People have to hope that there are enough real patriots left in all of our law enf. entities so that if and when the shtf occurs that the oathkeepers will rise and defend what they promised. The Constitution and its citizens.

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blackyb says:
November 28, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Impounding them for what? To hide evidence or to use it to get those who cheated prosecuted?

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Betta says:
November 28, 2012 at 3:28 pm
It’s merely to erase the evidence. That’s it that’s all. We know it and they know it.

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Doug Book says:
November 28, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Even if the FBI were not thoroughly corrupt, my bet is the machines will be working just fine three weeks after the election. Just like magic!

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jUSTacOUNTRYbOY says:
November 28, 2012 at 2:49 pm
jUST ANOTHER PATHETIC JOKE IN THE PROGRESSION OF THE CHANGE TO MARXIST AMERICA.

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Kimberly says:
November 28, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Democraps, ACORN, SEIU, black panther used voter fraud happened in decades & nobody do anything even we knew it. They tried to beat pres. Bush twice but still failed. In 2008 & special this year, they want to make sure Obama win re-election by used LIES, DEMAGOGUE, CLASS WARFARE & MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD.
If we ignore VOTER FRAUD again, I’m sure commie democRAT party will control WH & Congress forever future elections just look at CA now.
Impound machines are not enough, FBI should probe in voter registra dept., voted by mails because a lot of dead folks, felonies, illegal voters & non citizen voters who voted many times in many swing States & they get free transportation, food & money to do that. In Chicago & libturd States hand delivered mail in ballot to felonies & they delay ballot oversea to our troup. Our soldier votes never be count because
democRAT party suppressed their votes & allowed illegal FREELOADERS to vote.
Just like communist dictators in the world always win re-election forever because they control and count votes.

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douglasdauntless says:
November 28, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Are those in power going to count the votes Obama stole from Romney or are they, who ever they are going to run another election so Obama who is not a citizen of the USA in the first place, going to be allowed to steal the vote again because the Country is being run by the Communist Demo-rats in the USA. Pravda even said the Communist won in the United States of America. Now what? Obama wasn’t stopped the first time…

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rocquedog says:
November 28, 2012 at 4:50 pm
“Now what” you ask. Martial law is what and soon. It will metastasize into a full blown civil war. Real Americans need to resist the Imposter at every level. Be ready!

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Wero1946 says:
November 28, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Vote Fraud – What They Aren’t Telling You!
http://teapartyorg.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=4301673%3ABlogPost%3A1099537&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_post
“Food For Thought”
Semper Fi!
Jake

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ReaperHD says:
November 28, 2012 at 4:31 pm
It’s getting to the point where you need to invest inprecious metals like guns and ammo, with the thuggery and criminals in this regime the time is close that something is going to happen and your going to need the precious metals.

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rocquedog says:
November 28, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Americans (real Americans which doesn’t include illegals, La Raza, Blk. Panthers, entitlement addicts, etc.) need to invest in just one precious metal: LEAD. Lots of it and soon! The Illegal Alien in the Wh. is about to declare martial law. It will morph into a civil war. God Save The Republic!

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wpb83481 says:
November 28, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Well the worm, OBOZO and company, are going to finally see what the CONSTITUTION says about VOTER FRAUD !!!!!!!!
I see, here, they are also going after those so called MILITARY VOTES that were so called LOST !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe OBOZO and company will get the message, this is not CHICAGO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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malcolmX says:
November 28, 2012 at 6:13 pm
rise up America;; SHOW THIS KENYAN BAST666RD THAT THERE ARE STILL ENOUGH “REAL AMERICANS” TO TAKE HIM AND HIS COMMUNISTS DOWN……..

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rocquedog says:
November 28, 2012 at 6:18 pm
The only real way to “rise up” is to unite. Individually, we are nothing. United we will stand. Real Americans need to get involved ie; joining their State Guards, Sheriff’s Reserve Forces(as long as the shrf. is an oathkeeper), Constitutional Militias, 9-12 grps., etc. The states are lining up and some are even preparing their own defense forces to resist the federal overreach.

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RioSam says:
November 28, 2012 at 8:05 pm
So FBI…..GET WITH IT….DON’T JUST TALK ABOUT IT!

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carolkilmon@hotmail.com says:
November 28, 2012 at 9:05 pm
I had one of those machines, and when I reported it to the chief election judge he let me know in no uncertain terms that all HIS machines worked perfectly, and any error was due to my own incompetence, and if I still had a problem with that, I could go and report it to the elections board, which I did, and nothing happened there either.
If there is anything that can be done, I for one, want it done. I was disenfranchised, and since I’m not an elderly black woman living in Florida, and trying to vote Democrat, it doesn’t count for diddly. This is wrong and it is an outrage, and nobody seems to much care. Where are all the Republicans who took all the donors money for the campaign, and why aren’t they fighting tooth and nail for the people and all the citizens who put many hours and much money to help see there party win, and to unseat Obama? I just don’t get it, and it feels really bad that the party just doesn’t seem to care…sort of like they have all been on the same side all the time.

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A_pen says:
November 28, 2012 at 9:16 pm
IF the FBI does actually investigate and find evidence of tampering they would have to “Leak” it to someone who would have access to national broadcasting and be willing to run it without delay.

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hangman says:
November 28, 2012 at 10:05 pm
The best way to fix this whole mess is to go ahead and arrest Obama on suspition of Frawd, murder, treaon, theft, corruption, etc, and while he is servicing Bubba, let Sherriff Joe investigate everything unmolested,

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LANI says:
November 28, 2012 at 10:40 pm
I am not going to hold my breath. This evildoer will NEVER get what he deserves for all the crap he has done. So far he has gotten away w/Fast & Furious, we all know he will get away with Libya, he does things that are NOT constitutional and the Repub’s don’t do a damn thing. The So called Leadership of the Republican Party is a disgrace. They need to ALL be fired. Especially those who have been there for 20,30, 40, yrs!! They have that “Good Ole Boy” club going on and its all “wink Wink, Nod, Nod” It’s all talk & NO action. I am so damn sick of the BS. We have to get rid of them whoever is coming up next for re election needs to be given their walking papers. Start w/Boehner, he is absolutely worthless and good for absolutely Nothing! Like I said, I am not going to hold my breath as far as the voting machine crap. WE all know OBummer and his Minions cheated. that is the OBummer/Axelrod way. If you cannot win fairly and honestly “CHEAT” & “LIE”, so far it has worked and I pray this doesn’t continue because we will loose our country for sure. The way Boehner and the Rep let him get away with everything he does, he will continue cheating and lying his way to a Dictatorship

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TooktheOathOnce says:
November 28, 2012 at 10:45 pm
I HAVE A SOLUTION! Immediately change the election process to include VOTE ID laws no exception, and install cameras at every vote BOX and air it live on TV, and the internet, so everyone in the world can count live, and altogether, including electorate votes with playback functions like the NFL games have in case you miss a few counts..Town by Town, City by City, County by County, State by State..Easy, no fraud, no guessing, no conspiracies, the winner is the winner. While Iam dreaming, why not Ban all Lobbying, period! and make a mandatory 50 yr Gitmo sentence to any politician caught mis-attributing, twisting, or circumventing the Constitution in any way shape or form, infraction and sentencing being decided by a people vote (judge) same as described above!

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DeeJay700 says:
November 28, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Now you all know that no one is going to bring charges for anything concerning the election. The top got what they wanted. It fits their profile. It’s a waste of time. America’s people lost the initative long ago. It’s like an old Jackie Gleason rerun, “One of these days Alice!” Yet everyone knows it will never happen, its not allowed. All the money and power is in the hands of the top 1-percent and the only jobs that really pay are the ones keeping “We the People” in line and re-educating those who attempt to step out of line, even these websites. Jimmy Carter was the last president actually elected by the people, or ever will be from the looks of things.

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worldwatchman says:
November 28, 2012 at 11:59 pm
Would it not be sweet justice if they do discover that the machines were tampered with and force a new election. This time the boothes would get a hand puncher like you use to make holes in paper for a 3 hole binder. You get what I mean. THIS time, there would not be any questions. Also, have armed guards watch over the counting. THEN run it through a machine for a count and if the numbers don’t jive then do a recount right at the source.

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rocquedog says:
November 28, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Sorry but he’s not my type. He’s a guy and a real POS!

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